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    Re: Small Room: 604's, 14's, or 19's?

    I have a Woofer Tester II and a pair of 604E's that are sitting on the floor on a 20" square piece of plywood each, so they're accessible. I can test them this weekend and give you the TS specs from them to compare to. For the box you only need the bass section, so I won't bother with the horn.

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    Re: Small Room: 604's, 14's, or 19's?

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    Re: Small Room: 604's, 14's, or 19's?

    Quote Originally Posted by zelgall View Post
    I have a Woofer Tester II and a pair of 604E's that are sitting on the floor on a 20" square piece of plywood each, so they're accessible. I can test them this weekend and give you the TS specs from them to compare to. For the box you only need the bass section, so I won't bother with the horn.
    That would be MUCH appreciated, Mahalo!

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    Re: Small Room: 604's, 14's, or 19's?

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    I have to type everything out in Works word processor, due to the fact that I am the world's worst speller; the rum doesn't help. especially if it is a long winded dissertation.
    I'm using Opera browser and it has a spell checker built into it.. And is very fast.. Opera 11.51 I'm using now...The current version is 12

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    Re: Small Room: 604's, 14's, or 19's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Altec Best View Post
    I'm using Opera browser and it has a spell checker built into it.. And is very fast.. Opera 11.51 I'm using now...The current version is 12
    TBH, I don't recall. Chrome, maybe?

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    Re: Small Room: 604's, 14's, or 19's?

    I think Chrome has one too.. What cabs do you think you want to use then..The 620 or 612 ?

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    Re: Small Room: 604's, 14's, or 19's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Altec Best View Post
    I think Chrome has one too.. What cabs do you think you want to use then..The 620 or 612 ?
    ALTEC 604-8G & 620 ENCLOSURES

    Looking for a cabinet maker in St. Louis right now.

    I am considering baltic birch for these, but would like a darker finish than I've typically seen such plywood (maybe appleply would be darker?). Are there better sonic alternatives? Not sure I want to add a laminate finish due to added expense.
    Last edited by stlblue; July 14th, 2012 at 06:18 PM.

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    Re: Small Room: 604's, 14's, or 19's?

    Quote Originally Posted by stlblue View Post
    ALTEC 604-8G & 620 ENCLOSURES

    Looking for a cabinet maker in St. Louis right now.

    I am considering baltic birch for these, but would like a darker finish than I've typically seen such plywood (maybe appleply would be darker?). Are there better sonic alternatives? Not sure I want to add a laminate finish due to added expense.
    If you want to build 620's that sound like original 620's, you'll have to build them from the same material that originals were built from and damp them as the originals were damped.

    Plywood will have different resonant characteristics, and some of the larger surfaces are likely to "ring" unless alternative damping and bracing are used.

    I'm sure that ply construction can be made to sound nearly the same as original cabinets. But, it's going to get a lot more involved than just simply following a working drawing.
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    Re: Small Room: 604's, 14's, or 19's?

    Here's a partial TS for a 604:

    Buffer[0] Q,Fs Ver 5.00
    Completed: Sun Jul 15 12:48:58 2012
    Drive level 100.000 % [ 3.599 mA]
    Sine,LoZP(LV/LA)->Q/Fs,85 pts
    ;------------------------------------------------------------------
    Re 11.934 ohms
    Fs 24.175 Hz
    Zmax 227.233 ohms
    Ro 51.907 ohms
    F0 20.547 Hz
    F1 53.580 Hz
    Fmin 237.314 Hz
    Qes 0.1770
    Qms 3.1935
    Qts 0.1677
    Le 2.461 mH @1k
    XLe 26.472 ohms @1k
    PLe 35.737 Degrees @1kHz
    ;------------------------------------------------;
    ; Approximate Impedance Fitting Constants ;
    ; (Improved with Completion of Vas Test) ;
    ;------------------------------------------------;
    Krm 12.724E-03 ohms Freq dependent resistance
    Erm 734.479E-03 Rem=Krm*(2*pi*f)^Erm
    Kxm 52.692E-03 Henries Freq dependent reactance
    Exm 652.952E-03 Xem=Kxm*(2*pi*f)^Exm, Lem=Kxm*(2*pi*f)^(Exm-1)

    I have guests this weekend that were unexpected by me (my wife neglected to mention them) I'll get the full specs early this week.

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